Curse

Levi Garett · May 08, 2006, 10:34 PM // 22:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrutusV

If XoO has any self-respect they will immediatly kick this member who just made their whole alliance look bad. I am also hoping XoO or any Cavalon or HzH controlling alliances have a policy of freely opening the area to anyone that wants to get in.

/signed

This issue was delt with. The person did not know the rules and was corrected.

The rules state XoO does not charge to enter the Elite mission. If somebody from our Alliance charges then they are breaking the rules. Let a officer/leader know if you see somebody breaking our rules. Take SS's or have something to back up your accusations.

Hopefully people are not judging the whole alliance by the actions of one un-informed individual....

Now with that being said. If you know somebody in XoO, and we have control of the house, feel free to page that person and they will more than likely love to take you to the elite mission (for FREE).

And please in the future don't quote bits and pieces of another post to make a point. By all means post the link to the whole post so that everybody can see what exactly went on. Like this...

Mimi Miyagi · May 08, 2006, 11:03 PM // 23:03

Well, I see a bit of a double-standard going on there.

Why would it be wrong for a guild to charge people to party with them to enter an elite mission?

No one had issues with runners charging people to go from point a to point b. Nothing different here either, except for a grander scale. If anyone had any cajones, they would charge folks 100K to join a party, no guaranteed drops/loot. After all, you'd stand to MAKE 500-1,000K in one successful run if you managed to get a good drop, 100K would be peanuts. Lord knows there are plenty of "rich" people around.

Anyone crying and saying it would be wrong would be nothing but hypocrites if they supported runners.

I applaud Xoo's "moral" stance, but they are missing out on a cash cow, I tell ya.

Duke Slytalker · May 08, 2006, 11:08 PM // 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi

Well, I see a bit of a double-standard going on there.

Why would it be wrong for a guild to charge people to party with them to enter an elite mission?

No one had issues with runners charging people to go from point a to point b. Nothing different here either, except for a grander scale. If anyone had any cajones, they would charge folks 100K to join a party, no guaranteed drops/loot. After all, you'd stand to MAKE 500-1,000K in one successful run if you managed to get a good drop, 100K would be peanuts. Lord knows there are plenty of "rich" people around.

Anyone crying and saying it would be wrong would be nothing but hypocrites if they supported runners.

I applaud Xoo's "moral" stance, but they are missing out on a cash cow, I tell ya.

i think the main difference between this and runners or pwr lvlers, is that with running, the runner actually does something, other than be in a good allience, they actually provide a service, this is like charging someone to to group with u in HA cuz ur r9.

Mimi Miyagi · May 08, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by Duke Slytalker

i think the main difference between this and runners or pwr lvlers, is that with running, the runner actually does something, other than be in a good allience, they actually provide a service, this is like charging someone to to group with u in HA cuz ur r9.

It's not a service? The guild is providing something, they worked for it, they can do it and you can't - unless you learn to do it yourself (or join an alliance that can), and now are charging you to ride along.

Nothing stopping R9 players from trying to pull that stunt in HA either - except no one would care.

ANYTHING within this game that is "unique" is worth money - even silly mini pets. If there is something people want, but don't have, they will shell out bucks for it.

Thom Bangalter · May 08, 2006, 11:35 PM // 23:35

/signed
Alex M
ign The Gypsy King
territory usa
age 20
We Plunder you Now

sdliddo · May 09, 2006, 12:26 AM // 00:26

not to step on anyone's toes but one must consider what these elite missions are. IMHO i don't think anyone should just have a go at it considering the stuff ive heard about it.
The fact is elite missions REQUIRE good teamwork sorta justifies its uniqueness. You gotta be a team player in more ways than one i would think. The mission isnt the UW / FOW quests but something XXX times worse.
If that is the case, I do not think it's for everyone. Those solo builds aint gonna do ya any good and only team players and those who REALLY know how to play properly will have any go at it.

Grind? Yeah but a different sort of grind is indicated here. Its called TEAM grind. People who play PVP should understand what that means.

So what does that mean for us? We gotta go and take the time to play long and hard. God knows i don't and as much as i would like to play these missions, we need to help our guilds and alliances prosper to a point where we can play it.

What does that mean? It means we got to contribute to our guilds. Help theam farm factions to allow us to get the elite missions. Farming always equalled individual riches and nothing else. This times, they made it so that these special levels aint gonna be accessed by farmers interested only in wealth and all that stuff

If someone asks so what about those idiots who are in a guild who owns the city for the elite mission. My answer? They need to be REAL lucky to even make it through the entire mission. The goal is team play again. Cussing and blaming others dont cut it and the greatest importance of all to remember is EVERYONE RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOS UP and how you turn a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up aggro into a successful route is what truly defines team play.

If you can't handle that...... i doubt you truly deserve to even enter it.

ME... it translates to a need to start learning team play and all that stuff cuz I do want to somehow step into the elite mission just once without having to be invited into it.

I got work and doubt that will happen quickly. But I do beleive one day i can get it. How? dunno but it aint super high in my list to obtain. I want it but i aint gonna complain on what obviously is a reward for top gamers.

BTW: top gamers may usually mean people without any life outside a computer but who cares. I cant do that since i gotta job to maintain but other than that...... sigh.... i wish i could do that.

unda dawg · May 09, 2006, 01:39 AM // 01:39

/signed
Augustus Pablo Van Buren III 1/2 Jr.
IGN- unda dawg
[BS]

Buoyancy · May 09, 2006, 02:15 AM // 02:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdliddo

IMHO i don't think anyone should just have a go at it considering the stuff ive heard about it.

Again, please explain to us all why these two missions shouldn't be open to anybody who wants to try them who's reached the end of the game? If they fail, then they fail. It's not your job, nor is it Anet's job to determine who is "good" enough to have access to them.

Quote:

If you can't handle that...... i doubt you truly deserve to even enter it.

This attitude is disgusting, as are all of the people who hold it.

BlackRecluse · May 09, 2006, 02:30 AM // 02:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rukmedes

I bet everyone who said "/signed" in this thread has no idea how to make a PvP char and has 1 or more characters in FoW armor.

Stop being such care bears.

The game is COMPETETIVE.

Elite: The best or most skilled members of a group. - Straight from the dictionary.

Now, allowing everyone to compete in these missions would make the name "Elite missions" totally retarded, kind of like you. Or maybe that is why you want them to change it? So you're not the only retarded kid in the game? Well guess what, you're a retard. You always will be. Trying to change something else so it is retarded with you will not change that.

Getting the title "Elite" or whatever you need to enter these gay missions, takes a bit of time. And, gasp, some skill! I know most of you don't have skill, but come on. And just to get this out of the way, Whining != skill. The enemy will not get angry and let you kill him because he has a 15% weapon when yours is only 5%. STOP WHINING.

If you want a game that has no grind, go play Counter-Strike.

edit: Stop complaining that Europe always has favor and we don't get it anymore. Stop for 2 seconds and think about that. You're all grinding your asses off leeching off some one elses work in the HoH. Where is the fairness in that? Stop RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing bitching and go win HoH. If you cannot win HoH, don't complain. Simple.

ok, so your basically saying every single person in this thread is retarded, and has no skill. great argument. you know how Anet advertised this game? you guessed it no grind which is exactly what this new elite mission stuff encourages. i guess you never stopped and thought, maybe every single player doesnt pvp, and doesnt competetively play in the HoH. thats what everybody was originally so pissed off about; that the pure pve players had to rely on the pvp players in order to in essence play the high-end portion of the game.

your entire logic is circular and flawed, full of terrible arguments that make almost completely no sense what-so ever. please, next time, think about what you are saying and what it implies before you hit submit.

EDIT: /signed

Cygnus_Zero · May 09, 2006, 02:52 AM // 02:52

/signed

Lasher Dragon · May 09, 2006, 02:56 AM // 02:56

OK, now I have finally made it to the "elite mission" areas, so I guess I can form an opinion on them.

IMO, they should be renamed to "Grind Contests".

Whichever alliance has the most people, preferably people who still live with their parents and have no job (so they can play as much as they want), will get the most faction and thereby control the missions.

So, let's extrapolate the current system out, and see what the future holds. Sooner or later, someone will form an alliance of people who have absolutely nothing better to do than to play GW. They will grind and grind, earn their faction, and take over the capital towns. I mean, unless something is changed, this seems pretty inevitable to me. I know if I didn't have full-time work, a wife and a newborn, that's what I would do. I would be recruiting people that could play as much as I could. Anyway, once these alliances are in control, who is going to be able to wrest it away from them? The only hope would be another alliance, formed of people who can play just a little bit more than the current regime.

Maybe I'm way off-base with this whole scenario... maybe there is something I'm missing. I hope so.

Duke Slytalker · May 09, 2006, 02:58 AM // 02:58

First of all no one is saying that the missions need to be open to EVERYONE (well no one that knows anything about the game) however if i wanted the constent gride of repatition I would play FFX.

But guess what! I dont what the same old BS over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Theres a deffinate difference between being good at a game or "elite" and being able to do the same crap over and over again, even goldfish can be taught repatition and habit.

Thats why i like GvG its so different from match to match. Although, I would like to try the elite missions, but i dont want to be in an allience of 10, each guild with 100 members whos soul purpose in life is owning HzH. Nor do I want to pay someone to play them (not talking about XoO here, u guys are cool, but i have seen other ppl doing this).

However i think the real problem here, beyond the whinning and crying of the ppl who thinks its "unfair" that they paid 50$ for a game and dont get to play the whole thing is the fact that no one has come up with any real solutions, myself included. i dont claim to have all the answers, nor should anyone else.

and thats my 2 cents, well at this point i guess its more like 10 cents, but anyway, i have alot to say.

~Duke~

LucasAshrock · May 09, 2006, 03:36 AM // 03:36

Probably all players of GW must read my post and stop this thread

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...41#post1370241

beleg curudin · May 09, 2006, 03:41 AM // 03:41

"I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all players of all levels of dedication."

Full Name: Justin
In Game Name: beleg curunir, beleg curudur
Territory: europe, america
Age: 20
Guild Name: Durance of fate.

aelyn · May 09, 2006, 03:53 AM // 03:53

I agree and don't think you should have to leave a guild of friends (that I have developed in game, no less) to play the best parts of the game.

/Signed

Banshee · May 09, 2006, 06:47 AM // 06:47

I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all
players of all levels of dedication.

In Game Names : Corwin Redblade/ Kal Zorak

Territory: Canada

Guild : Silks Battalion

I have two accounts (prophecy) & will have 2 Factions linked to these accounts - have one reg factions - still waiting for CE for 2nd acct.
so far i have 6 lvl 20 char and 1 new faction char - I play alot. one account I' ve played over 1300 hours - I really enjoy Guild Wars and Factions - but I'm strictly a PVE player - I dont play PVP and I have no
interest in ever playing it !!! - I'm not knocking it - it just isn't for me.
At the very least the elite missions shud be handled like UW or FOW which I
play alot as well

Gonzo · May 09, 2006, 07:13 AM // 07:13

Too restricted atm, aye. But I don't agree to this statement:
"I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all players of all levels of dedication."

An elite mission should not be made available to all players. But I don't believe it should be made available to alliances which do nothing but farm for faction either. Now it's now available to those with skill, it's available to those with a lot of free time on their hands.

Hella Good · May 09, 2006, 07:52 AM // 07:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Now it's not available to those with skill, it's available to those with a lot of free time on their hands.

Fixed and QFT.

temp · May 09, 2006, 10:00 AM // 10:00

i dont have a clue about elite missions all i know it is its for the guild that holds the main houses

i've posted before and still the only threads i have read about the elite missions have been negative

lishi · May 09, 2006, 10:39 AM // 10:39

The probrem is this , the controlling city idea is a faction core concept it can't be deleted.

Plus since controlling a city mean a huge work it should rewarded HEAVLY , if everone can access to elite mission paying 1k what is the point of controlling a city? spare 1k dont joke.

IMO anyway they should change the controlling city sistem giving to smaller guild and alliance a way to gain it